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[Anonymous]

Tato diskuse je velmi čilá podle počtu příspěvků. Chtěl bych však angličtinou vládnoucí jedince požádat, zda-li by to někdo stručně neshrnul o co vlastně jde. Bohužel jsem se ve škole učil ještě ruštinu (a němčinu) a moje chatrné anglické základy na tohle nestačí. Myslím, že nejsem sám s tímto problémem. Díky předem.

[Anonymous]

But today is better than tomorrow, isn't it?!

:-))) Dost dobry. - Thanks for interesting information. And also best wishes of Happy New Year from Prague.
So it's totally independent and interactionfree from gc.com? Won't there be a little chaos in logs then?

[Anonymous]

na provozovani a hosting, ktere se musi urcite nekde platit. Navic my takovy vlastni server uz mame, geocaching.cz :-)
Proc delat veci komplikovane, kdyz jdou delat jednoduse...

To mi prave pripada jako pekny system ... vlastni narodni server, tzn. narodni fora, statistiky, zpohodlnena (vyborna! i kdyz by se dala i zlepsit ) cachemapa... ale listingy a logy centralizovany... cili beze zmatku, duplicity nebo naopak obskurni existence cache "kdesi kdysi"... / nevim jak kdo, zatim jsem nepocitil zadne utiskovani ze strany gc.com, docela by me zajimalo, proc se zjevne dost lidi citi tak un-free .. nevim. Naopak zcela presne vim, ze system slovensky ci madarsky (atd.) mi pripada hodne nesikovny a pro me jako navstevnika, prosteho uzivatele, znacne neprivetivy, odrazujici ...

[Anonymous]

1. Why you consider gc.com not enough free? Registration is free, you can place and publish as many caches as you want, you can write as many logs as you want...what more you would like?
2. The gc.com server serves more than 200 000 caches and has very strong traffic. If you want to cover similar number of caches with opencaching.com, you cannot maintain such servers absolutely free, if you are not extremely altruistic millionaire. The voluntary premium member fee is an elegant way to obtain the needed money.
3. I think (and I have a strong opinion the logins and registrations at gc.com is a good manner. It prevents, although not 100% reliably, the cache logs from spams and offtopic posts.

[Anonymous]

Hih , ty umis i cesky? Tak proc se tu s tebou bavi vseci anglicky???

[Anonymous]

Proč?

Protože http://www.geocachin...px?id=8815#8815.
Zde je to řečeno naprosto přesně. Cítím to stejně, ač jsem zatím "kešoval" jen v Česku a pouze příležitostně (od dubna 2005 cca 160 kousků).

[Anonymous]

Milí geo-Bakuninové, skutečně si založte "open-free-non censored" GC server, zkuste ho spravovat a nalákat lidi na návstěvu takových keší.

To je - jak prekvapive - prave to, co se tu ted deje. Diskutuje se o tom, jak to udelat.

[Anonymous]

I doubt that a cache with pornographic contents would be allowed or stay listed longer than a few hours on oc.

Cerntairnly it will NOT be allowed! That's why I dislike this US-centered-censored solution. If I can make my own web pornosite without any (or any serious) problem, why should I be limited to make similar caches? In fact I am not XXX-fanatic but it is a good illustration for my reasons.

[Anonymous]

Moje chatrné anglické základy na tohle taky nestačí. Myslím, že nejsem sám s tímto problémem. (nejseš :-)). Taky díky!

[Anonymous]

So it's totally independent and interactionfree from gc.com? Won't there be a little chaos in logs then?

Why should it be chaotic? Just like with navicaching.com, terracaching.com, gpsgames.org etc., all the caches are independant, and the logs are as well.
The first few thousand caches have been added very quickly, so that the cachers can use their old maps (on geocaching.de). One of the users has programmed a tool for automatic upload of caches and logs (which makes it a lot easier).
If you look at my stat bars from gc.com and oc.de here, you'll notice that my found logs differ a lot (austrian caches that don't exist on oc.de yet, czech caches etc.).
And yes, it is totally independent and interactionfree BECAUSE there are IMHO some severe limits on gc.com (language, culture, service mentality etc.).

HTH,
BS/2

[Anonymous]

To mi prave pripada jako pekny system ... vlastni narodni server, tzn. narodni fora, statistiky, zpohodlnena (vyborna! i kdyz by se dala i zlepsit ) cachemapa... ale listingy a logy centralizovany... cili beze zmatku, duplicity nebo naopak obskurni existence cache "kdesi kdysi"... / nevim jak kdo, zatim jsem nepocitil zadne utiskovani ze strany gc.com, docela by me zajimalo, proc se zjevne dost lidi citi tak un-free .. nevim. Naopak zcela presne vim, ze system slovensky ci madarsky (atd.) mi pripada hodne nesikovny a pro me jako navstevnika, prosteho uzivatele, znacne neprivetivy, odrazujici ...

Nanapsal bych to lépe...

[Anonymous]

1. Why you consider gc.com not enough free? Registration is free, you can place and publish as many caches as you want, you can write as many logs as you want...what more you would like?

Well, there is no chance of getting data from gc.com (on a legal basis) without paying. Therefore, there is practically no way of producing legal statistics or maps. And I do not like offering my internet habits to a company by constantly having to log in to see my own data.

2. The gc.com server serves more than 200 000 caches and has very strong traffic. If you want to cover similar number of caches with opencaching.com, you cannot maintain such servers absolutely free, if you are not extremely altruistic millionaire. The voluntary premium member fee is an elegant way to obtain the needed money.

I am not a technician, but the guys from oc.de seem to have a server and data construction (not windows-based, of course) that induces a lot less traffic than the gc.com cache description (speaking of traffic per cache).

3. I think (and I have a strong opinion the logins and registrations at gc.com is a good manner. It prevents, although not 100% reliably, the cache logs from spams and offtopic posts.

From what I see, the only restriction is in changing the cache type and major changes in cache description. All other changes can be easily done by the cache owner after approval of the cache. Furthermore, there is no control at all concerning logs and their contents at gc.com.

[Anonymous]

Hih , ty umis i cesky?

No, sorry.

Tak proc se tu s tebou bavi vseci anglicky???

Because I only have a dictionary - we don't really speak (or write) czech, just some bosnian and slovene.

Happy New Year,
BalkanSabranje

[Anonymous]

To je - jak prekvapive - prave to, co se tu ted deje. Diskutuje se o tom, jak to udelat.

To já vím , ale zajímal by mne skutečný zájem a odezva mezi českými geocachery....

[Anonymous]

Hi BS! Good to hear from you again

all the good things you expect from the new system, we in CZ already have them.
the database at gc.cz is a copy of gc.com, so we have access to all of the stuff like RSS stream of new caches,
we can download a complete database or a selection in GPX format, topo maps with caches etc.
this site is primarily a discussion and national statistics site.
I don't think we can expect anything more from opencaching.
there are people here who are not happy about Groundspeak rules but I guess you'll also have to have lot of legal stuff in place.
I believe the right way would be to press on Groundspeak to allow access to their data and to work on localization.
However, your way might be a good way to achieve this.

[Anonymous]

Já jsem pro, keše jen pro registrované (a platící) usery na GC.COM mi připadají hloupé. A prodávání předražených travelbugů taky. A navíc ta mnohdy zbytečně úzkoprsá pravidla nastavená na americké reálie... Myslím, že pro nezávislé open aktivity je právě ten pravý čas. Nějaký nezávislý globální registr kešerů a keší by to ale chtělo. A nějaký hodnotící systém, jako třeba označování terénu a obtížnosti, doplněné o "nebezpečnost" místa uložení, možnost výskytu nebezpečného obsahu (-:zbraní, výbušnin, jedů, drog, léků, porna,...:-) v keších, nutnosti některých nezákonných kroků pro její nalezení a vyzvednutí (-:vniknutí na cizí pozemek, hacknutí serveru s informacemi, zneškodnění ostrahy objektu,...:-) apod. Přihlašování loginem a heslem mi připadá vhodné a přimlouval bych se za jeho zachování. Snesl by se i menší registrační poplatek zajišťující provoz nezávislého registru keší a kešerů.

[Anonymous]

Well, there is no chance of getting data from gc.com (on a legal basis) without paying. Therefore, there is practically no way of producing legal statistics or maps. And I do not like offering my internet habits to a company by constantly having to log in to see my own data.

I am absolutelly agreed. I am investing time and money to create new caches, why should I do it for a profit of private company? But OK, it is not the main thing. But if I and only I am creating my caches, why it should be censored by somebody who is giving me nothing? Yes, capacity of the server, but this capacity ownself has no value. When I am creating my own web pages, I can use endless number of free servers without any disturbing rules and without censors (reviewers). I want the same freedom - create and publish caches completelly by myself.

[Anonymous]

After two years of very "intensive" geocaching I have no problem with gc.com... I know that it's not perfect, but it works pretty well in 99% of cases and situations. Finally, I love one "central" & international cache registering and logging system, covering practically whole Earth . This is a really fantastic feature and creates from geocaching true "no-border" outdoor activity. So, for me and our family team there is no need for "independent" or "free" geocaching site. Personally, I am not feeling some "strong" or really important limitations from Groundspeak... Dorcadion + 3 geogirls

[Anonymous]

To já vím , ale zajímal by mne skutečný zájem a odezva mezi českými geocachery....

Skutecny zajem je samozrejme nulovy, nebo skoro takovy. Ani to jinak by nemuze. Nove veci takrka nikdy nevychazeji ze zajmu a potreb vetsiny, ta vubec netusi co by mohla chtit (pracuji v IT, takze vim presne o cem mluvim). Proste se to musi udelat tak, jak nejlip to umi a chce par jednotlivcu a dat vetsine hotove.

Navic nejde v prve rade o Cechy, vzdyt tech je pet a pul (dnes asi 1300). Ti si muzou sve kese posilat na papircich, s trochou nadsazky.

[Anonymous]

To já vím , ale zajímal by mne skutečný zájem a odezva mezi českými geocachery....

Nevzniklo to celé kvůli nepochopení rozdílu mezi gc.cz a gc.com?